Yveltal variants // PRC-on


#1

So far dark has been a pretty dominant force looking at the last couple of regionals and I decided it deserved a discussion catagory. Generally the accepted build plays different mixes between baby yveltal, fright night yveltal, mew FCO, Yveltal-EX and the occasional darkrai-EX combined with a garbodor line to deal with difficult decks like greninja. They also sometimes play zoroark or raichu to avoid jolteon-EX and deal with different MUs. Generally Yveltal-EX has always been strong enough since its release to roll over pretty much anything outside of tier 0, and its even stronger now that night march and such are gone (although we should probably stop talking like that its been almost 3 months now).
e.g. of straight Yveltal-EX list . . . e.g. of less EX filled list
pokemon (10) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Pokemon(11)
4 yveltal-EX . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 yveltal-EX
2-2 garbodor . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2-2 zoroark
2 shaymin-EX . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2 yveltal (frightnight)
Energy (13) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2 mew FCO <— (2 shaymin aswell forgot to input)
9 dark . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Energy(13)
4 Double colourless . . . . . . . . . .9 dark
Supporters (14) . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 double colourless
4 sycamore . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Supporters(13)
2 N . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4 Sycamore
2 Lysandre . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2 N
1 Ranger . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 Lysandre
1 Olympia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1 Hex maniac
4 vs seeker . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4 vs seeker
Trainers() . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Trainers(17)
4 Ultra ball . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
2 Trainers’ mail . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
3 fighting fury belt . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
3 float stone . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
1 Enhanced hammer . . . . . . . . . . . 1
4 Crushing hammer . . . . . . . . . . . . 0
4 Max elixir . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Stadium(2)
1 Reverse Valley . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3 Reverse valley
1 Parallel city . . . … . . … . . . . . . . . . .1 Parallel city
N.B. the blanks on the right are the same card as the one on the left. I’ve not played or tested either of these lists they’re just samples don’t take them too seriously; I, myself have been playing a servine based variant which is working out nicely, (but if I posted that people would call me a troll :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:)
Thoughts, feelings, fears, or ideas on Yveltal variants: fire away!


#2

Okay guys, its been 2 days, its clear nobody likes/plays/cares about yveltal variants so they’ll probably become the new hate deck of the format. Like, tyranitar EX deck suggestions (gonna go point out that its spelt wrong now) has been more popular in its first hour…


#3

Could be that it was just a solid list.


#4

Aww that’s sweet,
But they were just random samples that I concocted on the spot; designed to insight discussion from people who know or are interested in the deck and its numerous variants :blush:


#5

I don’t know of you would mind sharing your Yveltal/Servine list but I would love to know it and try it out. I love using different decks!


#6

Sure atm it’s as follows:
pokemon(10)
3 yveltal-EX
1 mew FCO
2-2 servine
2 shaymin-EX
Energy(13)
9 dark
4 DCE
Supporter(12)
4 sycamore
2 N
2 Lysandre
4 Vs seeker
Trainers(21)
4 Ultra ball
4 Max elixir
4 Devolution spray
3 fighting fury belt
2 switch
2 trainers’ mail
1 Enhanced hammer*
1 super rod*
stadium(4)
3 forest giant plants
1 parallel city
enhanced hammer and super rod were both swapped in from 2 extra mews today.
n.b. serperior is a potential 1-of tech but has bad numbers against greninja (10 more hp or water resistance would be so good) (can add a 1-of grass energy over a dark here, but neither it being placed on serperior or it preventing you from attacking with yveltal-EX occured often)
The theory is more or less that servine replaces garb; devo replaces hammers; and forests replace float stones. This creates a better mirror match aswell as dealing with pesky jolteons (had a suprisingly good record against raikou/electrode where it turned out setting up jolteon-EX was generally a misplay). Servine also lets you slow opponents who are steamrolling through you should that ever occur. Bare in mind once greninja break evolves it has to use shadow stitching doing 40 less dmg so servine isn’t as good as garb here but still has an impact and the tradeoff of matchups is worthwhile as greninja may start to peter out with the recent rise of dark+garb decks and the new giratina promo.
Cons: Switch and escape rope can escape paralysis, but yveltal doesn’t need to do a lot to play the game (energies) and baiting these out early can help e.g. garchomp never plays more than 1 and volcanion 2 + olympia (wasting your opponents supporter is good disruption). Unfortunately it won’t be as strong with the new GX focused metagame due to evolution canceling the status.


#7

Seriously?

How can you be complaining about this when you were the only one who bumped that thread in the first place after it was made


#8

I did that afterwards. And it wasn’t really a complaint (apologies if it looked like one); just a statement of suprise that this community doesn’t really have any yveltal players with ideas to share.
Edit: also, I don’t believe this line of discussion is of any value to yveltal variants.


#9

why not play 1 jirachi stardust for mirror


#10

As a DCE replacement is not generally essential, you are giving your opponent more time to lysandre through you and take an initiative. Also, I believe jirachi is generally not found in yveltal lists due to the following sequences:

yveltalEX with (D,DCE); jirachi knocks off dce; yveltalEX attaches (D) for turn and passes where no advantage has been gained.

Fright night hits benched shay for 60; you send in jirachi; your opponent reattaches a 2nd dce and ko’s the shay anyway; stardust again and that makes 2 turns that your opponent can gain initiative through the use of lysandre.

In both scenario’s, if your opponent had lysandre after you stardust; they can profit. In short, Stardust jirachi doesn’t bring any advantage in the mirror.
N.B. winning a losing yveltal mirror is very difficult, using jirachi as a fall back isn’t really a valid strategy.


#11

List for Yveltal wobbufet please tell me any ideas?, thanks

##Pokémon - 12

  • 2 Shaymin-EX ROS 77
  • 1 Tauros-GX SUM 100
  • 2 Yveltal BKT 94
  • 3 Yveltal-EX PR-XY XY150
  • 4 Wobbuffet GEN 111

##Trainer Cards - 35

  • 1 Ninja Boy STS 103
  • 4 Professor Sycamore BKP 107
  • 3 N FAC 105
  • 2 Lysandre AOR 78
  • 1 PokĂ©mon Center Lady GEN 68
  • 1 Team Flare Grunt GEN 73
  • 4 VS Seeker PHF 109
  • 4 Ultra Ball ROS 93
  • 4 Max Elixir BKP 102
  • 3 Fighting Fury Belt BKP 99
  • 4 Float Stone BKT 137
  • 1 Escape Rope PRC 127
  • 1 Super Rod BKT 149
  • 2 Parallel City BKT 145

##Energy - 13

  • 4 Double Colorless Energy SUM 136
  • 9 Darkness Energy Energy 7

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******


#12

Bare in mind a few things:

  • wobbufet and yveltal BKT will be getting weaker when the next set drops. (tapu lele and tapu koko.dek)
  • Also 3 wobbufet will always be dead cards (it’s a bit like talonflame) and in some MUs wobb will be borderline useless.
  • 4 Float stone is a bit excessive; 2 switches and 2 float stones would probably be better in light of BKT yveltal getting stuck active or trevenant-EX locks.
  • Reverse valley can help against volcanion, and can be niche in some other matchups, but if your local metagame has a lot of Mray or rainbow road and stuff, 2 parallels makes sense.
  • I’ll also question whether super rod is just in the deck out of deck building habit as there are no evolution lines so it’ll pretty much only be used for energy. Or is there a discard tauros -> super rod -> ninja boy plan over the course of a game that sometimes comes up?

Overrall it looks like a strong list.


#13

First of all it’s BEAR in mind.
Secondly, in the current meta, decidueye is extremely strong so wobb is a soft counter[quote=“swan, post:12, topic:9928”]
super rod is just in the deck out of deck building habit as there are no evolution lines so it’ll pretty much only be used for energy. Or is there a discard tauros -> super rod -> ninja boy plan over the course of a game that sometimes comes up?
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Super rod is really good in yveltal. It allows you to hit max elixirs easier if you have to discard some energy early which happens a lot. Plus, yveltal’s late game becomes much stronger


#14

This is for saltlake city regionals which is prc-sun moon


#15
  1. Decideueye-GX’s dominance doesn’t factor into what I meant at all.
  2. I asked about super rod to clarify if it was pretty much exclusively for energy, in which case, the unheard of energy recycler exists. XD

@teammonroe Then my point was irrelevant. :slight_smile: