Virizion-EX, Genesect-EX Variants // BCR-on


#354

Then you’d probably be feeling rather silly for not running Raichu instead.


#355

What do you all think about my Virizion/Genesect/Empoleon deck?:

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4 VirizionEX

3 GenesectEX

2 JirachiEX

2 Exeggcute

2 Empoleon

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4 Professor Sycamore

1 N

1 Skyla

1 Colress

1 Shadow Triad

1 Archie’s Ace in the Hole

1 Lysandre’s Trump Card

4 VS Seeker

4 Ultra Ball

4 Battle Compressor

4 Acro Bike

2 Muscle Band

2 Switch

1 Professor’s Letter

1 Town Map

1 G Booster

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9 Grass

2 Water

3 Plasma

I really want to play this for U.S. Nationals so all advice is appreciated!


#356

Please don’t play this.


#357

My suggestions:
-2 Empoleon
-2 Water
+2 Shaymin
+2 Grass
-1 Archie’s Long, bad choice for a name card
+1 N
-1 Exeggcute
+1 Deoxys [OHKOs on MegaMan]
-4 Acro bike

  • 2 Pikachu
  • 2 Raichu
    -4 Battle compressor
    +2 Plasma Frigate
    +2 N
    -1 Switch
    +1 Plasma

#358

If you don’t mind, I’m going to do some testing with your exact 60-card list and see how it does, then I’ll test it with my changes. I’lll tell you which one does better.


#359

Currently, people are not playing virgen because it is too slow in this format of pure speed.
If you are looking for another deck, try Night March or Seismitoad-EX Variants


#360

Add one Deoxys EX to one shot outragers and other 130 HP pokes as well as Mega Manectric EX (w/ G-Booster) 210 HP pokes.


The biggest problem I see is what do you do if they play Silent Lab? Without Skyla, having a one of stadium isn’t going to do you any favors. You need a high count, good counter stadium or way to block stadiums. Maybe a 1-1 Ninetales PRC?


I also think this deck could benefit greatly from an Energy Switch or two.


Isn’t it so satisfying to Megalo Cannon a Shaymin EX that was Red Signaled for two prize cards? I think it’s pretty awesome myself.


#361

I am not being biased as I say this, as I had played Virizion/Genesect during the majority of the 2014 season. I don’t think Virizion/Genesect is very viable at all: it is very slow compared to other speed deck of today, 200 damage;no effect applied is event that great anymore, and the deck uses all EX Pokemon.


#362

It beats Toad and Groudon but that’s pretty much it.


#363

And Primal Kyogre, but yeah, I get the point you’re making. I wouldn’t even begin to consider this as an archetype in ROS


#364

Now that LTC is banned, do you thin VirGen can keep up with the Speed demands?


#365

For those of you who haven’t seen it, here is Josh PoetPierce’s t8 UK Nationals VirGenToad deck.


#366

Intresting list. I don’t think it will do well with Toad digging its grave


#367

I think it already has done well. It did win UK Nats. :wink:


#368

It top 8’d nats.

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#369

And that was WITH trump card in the format. Who knows without it.


#370

Yeah, exactly. It’s barely relevant now.


#371

Oh, my implication was that it had gotten even better with toad being limited to 4 chammers (excluding things like Bunnelby PCL, Milotic PCL, and Dowsing Machine) per game being its downfall.


#372

The current problem with Virizion/Genesect is the amount of Landorus/Bats and Night March being played. Seismitoad has little to no relevance to this deck’s viability currently.


#373

I always found the deck much better in an all or heavy Toad environment. With it gone, it loses a good match up